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Cozy Coven Chats with Jenny C. Bell
Cozy Coven Chats shares the witch's journey. Jenny C. Bell has been a witch for over three decades and believes it's an empowering path. Jenny seeks to reclaim the word witch as well as the power of the witch's story. Join Jenny in exploring all weird and wonderful of being a witch.
Cozy Coven Chats with Jenny C. Bell
Caroline Hull: From Catholic Roots to Witchy Voice Keeper
Caroline Hull's journey from "cradle Catholic" to witch illuminates a path many women are walking today—reclaiming spiritual connection outside traditional religious structures. When the podcast strategist and coach discovered "Mary Magdalene Revealed," something profound awakened within her. The realization that this biblical woman's story had been deliberately altered and diminished by patriarchal forces mirrored Caroline's own experiences of feeling silenced and disconnected.
As a homeschooling mother of three daughters, Caroline faced a critical choice: continue within religious traditions that didn't fully honor women's voices or embrace a more authentic spiritual path. She chose courage, gradually exploring witchcraft, goddess spirituality, and earth-based practices while maintaining transparent conversations with her children about this evolution. Rather than rejection, she found remarkable support, particularly from her scientifically-minded teenage daughter who encourages her mother's authenticity even when Caroline still sometimes hides her witchy books when guests visit.
The parallels between Caroline's spiritual transformation and professional evolution are striking. As a "Voice Keeper" for women in business, she helps clients overcome the very blocks she faced—finding confidence in their voice, trusting their message, and creating content aligned with their authentic selves. This powerful mission emerged organically through her own healing journey, as she recognized how women's voices have been systematically suppressed throughout history, just like Mary Magdalene's.
For anyone questioning their spiritual inheritance or feeling called to explore beyond religious boundaries, Caroline's story offers gentle permission and practical wisdom. Her integration of Mary Magdalene on her altar alongside other spiritual tools demonstrates that evolution doesn't require wholesale rejection of our past—sometimes the most powerful reclamation comes from rescuing the sacred feminine elements that were always hidden within traditional religions. Ready to explore your own authentic spiritual voice? Caroline's journey reminds us that sometimes our greatest power emerges when we finally stop dimming our light.
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Hi, welcome to another Cozy Coven Chats. I'm your host, jenny C Bell, and today I'm bringing to you my very first guest ever on the podcast, caroline Hull. And when I began this podcast, my hope was that my very first guest would be someone in our coven. But I didn't know that my first guest would be someone in our coven and also a podcast coach. So tell me, if that's not the perfect first guest for any podcaster, it definitely is For those of you who are not already familiar with her, caroline Hull is a podcast strategist, coach and voice keeper for women in business.
Speaker 1:She helps coaches and creatives turn their podcasts into aligned client attracting tools through soulful strategy and intentional content. With nearly a decade of podcasting experience, caroline is the founder of the Strategize and Shine Podcast Academy and host of Share Strategize and Shine. And this chat is very sweet. It's very centered on healing from growing up in a Christian or Catholic upbringing, and it's so amazing how often we keep circling back in this conversation to Mary Magdalene. And so if you're already familiar with Mary Magdalene, you're going to love this. If you're not, definitely take a listen and get to know how she inspired both of our journeys.
Speaker 1:Well, I'd like to welcome Caroline to the podcast, to the chat, and I got to know Caroline in our coven and she has been really a good contributor in there, showing up to lives and connecting with people. But what I didn't know at first was that she actually has her own podcast, her own podcast academy, and when I asked people to be on my podcast, she was one of the first people to say yes, and now I know why. So we're going to get to know her a little bit. Today We'll hear a little bit about her journey, her spiritual journey, her witchy journey, and then she'll also share a little tidbit of helpful information for new witches, especially witches coming from a Catholic or Christian background. So if you could start by just briefly introducing yourself and telling us a little bit about you and you know what makes you, what makes you happy, what makes you who you are?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, as you said, I'm Caroline. I work from home and homeschool my three beautiful daughters, raising some fierce, strong women in my house, and I own my own business. So I am a podcast strategist, but what I like to tell people that I really do is I help women who have online businesses share their voices in a way that's going to be impactful for them and for their business. So I was actually telling somebody the other day I feel like I've become a podcast life coach. So because, inevitably when you start sharing content, all kinds of stuff pops up. So, yeah, I live in Colorado. I can see the mountains every day, which brings me so much joy. I love being outside when I can Love being with my kids. Yeah, that's what makes me tick. I have two cats, two dogs, love animals all the things.
Speaker 1:All right. So before we kind of learn a little bit about your witchy journey, I just would like to know because you do so much from home and there's a lot of people that work from home or homeschool like how do you kind of separate the space or the energy and how do you not go crazy in your own home because you do everything from the house?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that has been a real challenge, especially as I've become busier and my kids have become busier. So I have a 14, 11 and four year old. So I've got like one entering high school, I've got one entering middle school and then I've got like a preschooler and I feel like when the two olders were little, it was so much easier and so much more peaceful and I feel like as I've gotten older, it's gotten more chaotic. So a couple of things that I really do is we have a rhythm in our house. I always tell people we don't do a schedule, we have a rhythm. And I have a rhythm in my business as well.
Speaker 2:So like I know when I'm going to work on certain things, on what days, I know about what time during the day that I'm going to work and I do try to keep them separate. If we're doing homeschool, I try to just be doing homeschool. If I'm working, I try to just be working and then, beyond that, like taking time out. So I am a huge lover of incense, so I will just like if I'm feeling stressed or overwhelmed or like it's just I'm an INFJ. If anybody knows what the Myers-Briggs is, I'm like I'm actually quite an introvert and I get overstimulated really easily, and so I will just go light some incense and just stand near my altar.
Speaker 2:And then I actually created a mini altar in the homeschool space this last week, which has been really lovely because it's in the basement. Um, this last week, which has been really lovely because it's in the basement, and so now I've got like these two kind of energetic, wonderfully peaceful places I can go to and I feel like that has just made such a difference in the energy in our home. And so, yeah, it's all about rhythm, it's all about taking care of yourself, um, and you know, and just a lot of fun, honestly, just having fun.
Speaker 1:I love that, I love rhythm, and I feel like people can lend that to like their spiritual witchy practice as well, because some people will say, like I want to have a morning ritual, I want to do this, but if it's too rigid then they lose it Like, and so having a rhythm, I like that, especially because, as, as witches, we like follow the moon, we follow the earth cycle, like that's all rhythm yeah, and it's funny because since I've been tuning into the, the cycle of the moon and that kind of stuff more, I'm actually seeing how it affects my kids and our homeschool and our home and it it's been really fascinating.
Speaker 2:So there is like a seasonality now that is kind of flowing into the work that we do here at home. And so now I was just talking to my daughter before the call about like how is our summer going to go? Because she's we've got some math to wrap up this summer and I was like it'll just, it'll be fine, we're just going to feel into it, you know, and I I kind of laughed because I was like Caroline four or five years ago would have been like no, we have to schedule it in, it has to be at a certain time. So I do love that, um, that journey that I've taken to just being a little bit more about rhythm and less about schedule.
Speaker 1:I love that. I love that for parenting, I love that for work life balance everything. Like, yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take that I, because I don't. I have like ADHD, so schedules and I like I try really hard to hold the schedule, but it's not something like I'm definitely not a type A personality, so rhythm I like that. I'm gonna take that for sure. I had a question for you what made you join our coven? Cause you are in there. You've been in there a couple of months now, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it was. It was last I joined, at the end of last year, so it was. It was like October, september, october. So I started diving into. Well, where would you like me to start, because I may have to go back a little bit. So I found you on TikTok. I found you on TikTok. Yeah, I found you on TikTok randomly. So I had read a book about Mary Magdalene and it like changed my life. Like this book literally changed my life. It's called Mary Magdalene and it like changed my life. Like this. This book literally changed my life. It's called Mary Magdalene Revealed.
Speaker 2:And I started diving into like, because that book is a lot about like, what early Christianity could have been, and it's also a lot about, like, your relationship with yourself. I started digging into some of that and so I started following people on TikTok and you kind of popped up in my world. So I had actually been following you for a while and every time a video of yours popped up I just felt like a sense of peace. But I also was really confused about you know, where do I go Like, how do I find people who are walking a similar path to me? And that was really why I joined was. I just wanted to be in the room where it happens, as it were, around people who were going on a similar journey, because I think that's like been one of the hardest things the last few years for me is going through this journey of like what do I actually believe, what path am I going to follow? But feeling very alone in it.
Speaker 2:And I had also, right around the time I had read this Mary Magdalene book, I started reading a lot of books about witches and feminism and the history of witches, lot of books about witches and feminism and the history of witches. And there were a couple books I read where they would talk about coven and community and how important that was and I was like, how do I find that here? Like I'm not tapped into that in my local area, and so finding your coven online was like it was so amazing and I love it because now I have a place to go and I'm not having to like Google or like watch videos on TikTok and be like it was so amazing and I love it because now I have a place to go and I'm not having to like Google or like watch videos on TikTok and be like what is this? What does this mean? What does this look like? So yeah, that's. That's a short version of how I found it.
Speaker 1:So how did you find the Mary Magdalene revealed by Megan Watterson Like? How did that book get into your hands, Do you remember?
Speaker 2:I don't remember, honestly. So I have been questioning the women's place in religion for a very long time. So I was raised Catholic. My husband and I are both what we like to call cradle Catholics, and you know. And he went to Catholic school, I did not, but we have always questioned. I mean, I took religious studies in college and I remember just falling in love with Buddhism, like just this idea of reaching for enlightenment, and I went to school in a very religious community. It was not a religiously oriented school but there was a lot of recruiting going on on campus and it just was a very hard time for me because I was questioning a lot.
Speaker 2:I felt like it didn't fit. I've never really felt like I fit in the Catholic church to be lot. I felt like it didn't fit. I've never really felt like I fit in the Catholic church. To be honest, I've always felt out of place. And when our daughter started getting older and the world started revealing itself a little bit and how it treats women, I really started to question if that was the environment I wanted them in.
Speaker 2:And so I think somewhere along those lines that led me to the Mary Magdalene book. I cannot even tell you how I got there. I think the universe was like you need this book and that's because I don't even remember like buying it, to be honest. But I started reading it and I was like yes, like every page I was like yes, yes, you know, this is what I've been feeling, this disconnect from the church, and I have always been the kind of person who felt better in nature with my feet in the grass and my eyes to the mountains than I ever did inside of a building. So, yeah, it just seemed like a natural progression for me and that book really cracked open something in me that was like waiting to be cracked open.
Speaker 1:So did you use the? Did you say cradle Catholic? Yeah, yeah. So I always say I was born Catholic, because you were truly born Catholic. It's not like Literally. Yeah yeah, I love that that book brought you to like goddesses and feminism, because I think that's the intention of her book, like she's a really wonderful writer.
Speaker 1:And I remember I also took a world religions course and I remember like learning about these other gospels and being like wait a minute, so there's more. You know, know what I mean? Like it was, I was like 19. I was like in shock. I'd already was a witch at that point, but I did not know that there was these other gospels that got left out. And then I kind of went on a hunt for Mary Magdalene. It took me to the Getty Museum in LA and there was like all these paintings of Mary Magdalene. She'd be shown with like a skull or like the alabaster jar. I read the woman with the alabaster jar. It was just like, it was very like it's almost thrilling to be like. I mean like reading Megan Watterson's book and reading other books about Mary Magdalene, my heart would speed up, like my body was like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, I you know, yeah, right, yeah, I you know. The other thing that I think has been so huge. So I have my oldest daughter wants to be um an astronaut and not in the like.
Speaker 1:I would be an astronaut like she's oh sorry, say that again my not like katie perry, not like katie.
Speaker 2:No, she wants to be an actual astronaut and she has always questioned, always questioned. I mean, we would read the Bible when she was little and she would be like, wait a minute, this doesn't make sense. What about the Big Bang? Where are the dinosaurs? Like she was that kind of kid. Where are the dinosaurs? Like she was that kind of kid and you know, having someone like that in your life, who's like started? I mean, she was like seven years old and she's challenging everything.
Speaker 2:I've been raised believing but I actually, you know, I actually was challenging it myself, but very quietly, and so when I read that Mary Magdalene book, it was like a validation of the challenges that I had been bringing. You know, like, what is this book exactly Like? Is this, you know, is this actually history? Like you know, there were all these things that I was asking. And, yeah, and knowing that there were other books out there, like there's another one that I'm really fascinated by. I'd love to learn more about.
Speaker 2:But she talks about Thecla a lot in the Mary Magdalene book, who traveled with Paul and who was um, basically she's not allowed sainthood because she baptized herself and, like you know, you need to read that and you're just like what the heck? And they left her book out as well. Um, and so it just. Yeah, you know, I it really was my daughter pushing me because I could see this very smart, independent soul and she's going into a world where she's going to have to fight for everything she wants and I was like I've got to give her the tools. She's not getting the tools where we were at, and that really was the push I needed, you know, was her, and then, of course, that book. So and then?
Speaker 1:were you homeschooling the whole time with her, or was that like a change that you made?
Speaker 2:yes, no, we were homeschooling the whole time because I had felt like again, so this, this just cracks me up when I think about it we had put her in a catholic preschool when she was four and her experience there was already so negative and I was like there's got to be something better, there's got to be something different. And that's when I fell into homeschooling. I really wanted to give my kids something unique and different that I had had. You know, I had gone to public school, my husband had gone to Catholic school. We were like we don't want either of these and nothing against either of those, but we just wanted something unique and a unique experience for them. But I think what's so wonderful about the homeschooling is it has allowed us the opportunity to dive into a lot of these topics and, like when we read history, we read it from a very critical eye and we question things and we look things up and you know, and that too, I think, has really cracked open this feminist worldview that I've developed over the last few years.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so I often think like that working with like goddesses and doing witchy things leads someone to a more feminist point of view. And it's interesting that you say that, because some people don't like that word. But I always think about. I took um lit theory in when I was a literature major and we read, uh, donna Haraway, who is a like a feminist, and she said that a feminist could be of any gender and a feminist loves mother earth, loves animals and works with all people. And I've always taken that as my definition. Like a real feminist isn't like only wanting women to do well, it's like we want everyone to do well, including the earth. Like we want we just care about everyone humanity, the earth. Like we want we just care about everyone humanity, the earth, the collective. Like we want it all to heal, we want it all to be better. And I love too that you're talking about like this Mary Magdalene as a gateway too, because like growing up Catholic it feels, even with mother Mary, it just feels so masculine.
Speaker 1:Like I remember learning I couldn't be a priest. I was like I'm going to be a priest when I grow up and because I've always been very spiritual. And then my grandfather was like, oh, no, you could be a nun, but you can't be a priest. And I was like, oh, and then it's like you know, we, I would pray to Mother Mary more than I prayed to anybody else, so I just felt more comfortable with this one woman that I was taught about and I was allowed to pray to, you know. So yeah, it's interesting. Okay, so you read the book, you started getting on TikTok, you started questioning and then then what happened after that?
Speaker 2:You know, I think it really was diving into the history of witches. So I read Pam Grossman's book, I read the French writer I can't think of her the name of her book. I feel like I should look it up because I don't want to be. I read a few books all about like the history of witches, the history of the witch trials, and not just like the witch trials here, but like the ones that happened in Europe. And I have always so I love history. I'm a big like I should have been a historian, I should have majored in history, because I just love history so much. I mean I remember going to Scotland and seeing Hadrian's Wall and being like just mad you know, like I still get mad that they pushed the Celts, you know, off their land, like I still think about those things. And when I started digging into the history it felt like I was almost being called to honor the women that had gone through all of that. Like when you really start to study what those women went through, but not just what they went through but who they were before all of that happened, and like what we've lost. And I think that is what really radicalized me honestly, because I felt like I have never felt like I fit in, never in my whole life Like when I was in high school I didn't fit in.
Speaker 2:When I was in junior high, I didn't fit in. I didn't fit into the ballet world. I was a ballet dancer for many years, was a ballet pedagogy major. I didn't fit in. I have always felt out of place. When I married my husband I didn't fit into his group of friends. Like I have always felt out of place. And when I started reading this stuff it was almost like I was finding my place, like I was like carrying something with me that had been lost for generations or something I can't even explain it. It just felt I felt like I was being called and led very specifically to become a witch. And when I first started like dabbling or whatever you know those first steps you take, like it felt like a homecoming. It felt like like I feel more spiritual now than I did all those years of being Catholic. I feel more connected to myself and to like what I want to be and how I engage with the world than I did.
Speaker 2:And the interesting thing about all of this is right before, I'm pretty sure before I got the Mary Magdalene book, I had like a complete crisis, like I didn't know who I was, I didn't know what I was doing, nothing felt right and we had kind of left the church. At that point I put quotation marks around that because it's not like we like wrote a letter and said, hey, we're leaving. It just kind of like gradually happened, you know, and we weren't going to church anymore and I remember just feeling so disconnected, like I hadn't felt connected before. But I felt even more disconnected now and I almost felt like I was doing a disservice to my kids, like I was like man, they're not going to have any spirituality, like is that okay?
Speaker 2:And when all of this started like popping up in my world, it really did feel like a homecoming. And even my oldest daughter, who is like the most skeptical person on the planet, like she will do stuff with me. She likes to do Oracle cards, she likes crystals, she likes to hang out at the altar with me and it's been really cool seeing her form that connection as well. You know she's, out of all of our kids, she's the one who remembers the Catholic Church the most and she liked ritual, she liked going, she liked the ritual of it all, and so bringing that back into our house and the way that we have has been really special.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I mean, I really felt like I was called to this. I felt like there was something out there that was like you need to reconnect with who women were called to this. I felt like I felt like there was some something out there that was like you need to reconnect with who women were meant to be. You need to reconnect with who you were meant to be. You know, yeah, it felt, it felt bigger than me, for sure?
Speaker 1:Well, I think you're right. You know, like I, I became a witch in the nineties and it was still very like subculture and I just kept it hidden for a long time. And then my one friend's like no girl, you need to go on witch talk. I'm like what is that? And I went on there and I'm like oh, people are allowed to be witches now. Like we're not going to get made fun of and like run out of our neighborhoods, like I really had to deal with some witch wound stuff. But I saw, like all these people just like truly being called, truly interested, truly like wanting to learn more, and it was amazing to me and it really, I think.
Speaker 1:I mean, if we look at the state of the world at the moment, like we're going through a huge change. I don't care who you voted for or what country you live in, there is a huge change going on and it can't be denied. And it's like women need to be part of that. And I think a lot of times, like in order to really heal our full femininity, we have to heal that witch wound. We have to like come to terms with that word. That's why I use the word all the time it's like a reclamation, you know, instead of being like. You know, I'm sure we've all like had the family members like, oh yeah, that woman, she's a real witch, you know, and they use it instead of bitch, and it's like, you know, like it's like we need to take it back. So I think you're right. I think there is like a mass calling right now, but particularly women are like waking up to this, like wait a minute, like none of this adds up. There needs to be more, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's interesting. I love that you brought up the word witch because, as someone who has come from a Catholic background like if you read in the catechism, it talks about things specifically like it specifically mentions of those deep seated fears that were planted in me by I don't know a patriarch or a patriarchal organization Like, what I have come to realize is that a lot of what happens inside organized religion is is for control. Organized religion is is for control and that has been like so incredibly freeing, like being like they don't control me anymore. You know what? I have a tarot deck now. I have not burst into flames like you know, and and which that. That is something that I I think when I first joined the coven, there was actually actually a conversation you know what do you call yourself? And I said I don't know if I'm comfortable enough yet to call myself a witch, and my kids would. They asked me they were like do you call yourself a witch now? And I'm like I don't know. I don't know, and that's something I'm still grappling with, because it is a word that you know for so many centuries has had such a negative connotation and I think that was a thing that was so eye opening to me when I started actually educating myself on what witchcraft was, on what being a witch actually meant, and realizing how much beauty and goodness is in it, when I all I had been taught was how dark and evil it was.
Speaker 2:Like, I think back to high school. I loved your podcast episode where you talked about your journey, because there were so many things I connected with that. I remember back in high school there was a girl who was Wicca and she would bring some of her books to school and I would always kind of sit off and, like you know, be like, oh, what is that? Oh, but that's, that's evil. I can't, you know, I can't, I gotta be careful, it's evil. And but I was always interested in it. Like I was always kind of looking over her shoulder, going what is that? You know, trying to peek over, and so I started. It was your podcast episode reminded me of that experience and being like what is that? That's so interesting and fascinating, being so scared to dive into it.
Speaker 2:And you know, now, being where I am, and you know I'm 41 now and I'm like whatever, like you know, it's time to embrace my true, authentic self. And I I'm like, yeah, bring it, let me learn about everything. And the more I have read, the more I have learned, the more I realized just how beautiful and and good and connected to the good things in this world witchcraft really is. And you know, and, and what's so cool to me is how it can be uniquely yours. So, like I still I mean, I have Mary Magdalene all over my altar.
Speaker 2:I feel so connected to her as a woman who was misunderstood, whose story was told incorrectly, who was made the villain in a religion, you know, and I feel so, so connected to her and I definitely think that she was brought into my life for a reason. And so, you know, it's, just because I became a witch doesn't mean that I had to get rid of her, because, you know, that's part of Christianity or anything. So it's been, it's been such a incredible thing for me to go through and I think it's been incredible for my kids to witness that like it's not as cut and dry as we all thought it was right, like it can. You know, it can be a mix of things and, yeah, I just I love that and I think that's been so freeing for me in this stage of my life.
Speaker 1:Well, I love that you're open with it, with your kids and, how you mentioned, your 14 year old is the most skeptic but also kind of the most interested, because it's the same in my house my 14 year old is. If you look at her astrology chart, it's like skeptic, skeptic. I mean, there's like so many flags for her to just do science. She's always been science minded and she has her own tarot cards and she, you know she's learning, she enjoys it and she recently did a spell and had like really good results very quickly and I think it really it confirmed for her that, okay, my mom's not totally crazy, right, like she, like she knows what she's talking about. You know, it was like this kind of a bonding moment and it was, yeah, it was very cool and so I love that you're bringing them, you're open with them. Was it like hard for you to be open with them or to like invite them into that world?
Speaker 2:It was at first and it also wasn't, because I feel like my purpose as a mother of three girls is is to raise some pretty strong, like I always say, like I'm raising some pretty strong, fierce woman, and like I feel like that's not by accident, like I think I'm preparing them for a world in which they are gonna to have to fight for everything they want, more so than I ever felt or you know, I don't even know and so it was really important to me when I started this journey that I had conversations with them about why I was doing what I was doing, where it was coming from. I listened to a lot of the books on audiobook and so they would listen with me. They listened to the BBC Witch podcast with me, yeah, and so it just was like I tried to make them a part of the experience, and I've always said to them like you do not have to follow this path, but if you want to like, here's why I am doing it, and I mean and they I mean they love it. They have connected. My middle has connected so much with it. We went to our first metaphysical store here in town a couple of weeks ago, and the energy in that store was so amazing. I've never walked into a space and just been like, oh, like it just felt so good. But when we walked out, it was funny because even my kids were like gosh, it felt so much better in there than it does out here. Like they're starting to tune into that kind of thing and it's been really neat. We did. We did a house cleansing the other day. We've just had a really hard couple of months and I was like you know what we need to do. We need to cleanse this entire space. I had just taken your protection class so I was like, okay, we've got to put some crystals in some corners, you know, and, and they, they participated and you know, and they, they were part of it and they thought it was really cool, and so that's been really neat.
Speaker 2:And the funny thing about it, too, is my. So I am still a little quiet about it. Like whenever people come over, I put all my witchy books in the cabinet. I don't take anything off my altar, but I do like hide my witchy books that are sitting on the coffee table. I'm still nervous. There's still a part of me that's nervous, right, because I have been.
Speaker 2:This has been so ingrained. I'm breaking lots of you know stuff that's been ingrained in me as a person. And what's funny is my 14-year-old is like, why are you hiding it? Just be who you are. Like just do it. Like she's so funny. So she's been like my little cheerleader, like just it doesn't matter who cares, like who's going to say anything, whatever, like so that's been really cool to to see that. You know, I was not that way at 14. I was terrified to be who I was and so just to see that my journey, reflected in her eyes, is that oh, my mom is stepping into who she is and I'm going to be a cheerleader for that, that has been really cool.
Speaker 2:I think that when we are open with our kids and we can share these journeys that we go on, you know I've been I've been in therapy the last few years like I've been on a healing journey.
Speaker 2:I feel like for the last five years or so, a bit like a big healing journey as a human and I've been really open with them about that and I think it's just made them better people. I think it's made them feel like, you know, we can talk to mom about anything. Like I want that stuff to be normal, because it was so unnormal for my generation. You know, going to high school, like you said, in the 90s, I mean we didn't, none of us were in therapy, none of us were talking about like how we felt when none of us were in tune with our energy and how it was affecting things around us, those kinds of things. And so I think that it's it's a very conscious thing that my husband and I have made a choice that we were going to do things differently, and to see the fruits of that as they're getting older is pretty cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it seems like you're giving them a gift. I always think about, like when you become a parent, conscious parent, it's like you try to think about what you would have liked to have as a child and you give that right, like you would have liked to have honesty and you would have liked to have options and I love that. And then so it seems like the path has kind of affected like your home life and you work with. Is it mainly women or like only women that you work with in your podcast coaching?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's only women. It wasn't originally by choice, it just happened that way. And then now that's just what I say is that I only work with women. But yeah, it's definitely affected the work that I do for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, can you tell us more about that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so when I started really working on my throat chakra, it was really interesting because I realized very quickly that the thing that I was experiencing like not being able to speak my truth, all of these things.
Speaker 2:So let me back up just a minute. I since I was little, so I mentioned that I didn't feel like I fit in. I also have never really felt like I could voice what I wanted to voice, whether that was like an opinion on something or my feelings. I've always felt like I've got to keep it inside and before I started podcasting, I was not a very confident speaker. I wouldn't. I was, I would not have been able to sit here and even have this conversation with you, jenny. Like 10 years ago I could not sit down and be confident in what I was saying, and podcasting has really given me that. Well, I noticed that over the last few years, really since the pandemic, because during the pandemic, we had like a major surge of podcasters and I realized that one of the things I was starting to do was actually coach people on how to be confident in their content and what they were sharing, and I was like this is so interesting, and so it was really fascinating to me.
Speaker 2:When I started a couple years ago, there was like a big shift in the industry. Ai came on the market. I went from having an agency where I was editing like 20 to 30 clients a week to only five, and I was like, man, what is the future of my business look like? And so I started working with a business coach on my purpose. And it was so funny because what came out of that was that my purpose wasn't to edit podcasts, it was to give women a space where they felt like they could be seen and heard and work on sharing their voice confidently. And I started to see all the threads in my life that have been like pieced together, you know, from being a child and not wanting to upset anybody to being in the ballet world and being walked all over and just letting them to. You know the jobs that I've had, relationships, you know there's been so many moments in my life where people have literally stepped on me and I didn't speak up. And now I'm like that's not what happens anymore. I try to speak up quite often and so, yeah, so the point of my business has changed so much.
Speaker 2:Really, what I do now is I am a strategist, so I'm helping people create podcasts that work for their business, but we also work through a lot of blocks. Why are you having trouble creating this content? Why are you not confident in your voice? What is the message you really want to share and how can we build a podcast around that? That has become a huge piece of what I do and it's so impactful because when I work with women, you know maybe they have something really unique they want to share and they come to me and they're like I'm just not sure how to piece this together. And that's where I come in and it's been really cool to see like their vision, but also their voice, become clearer as we work together.
Speaker 2:And it's really funny because in the last couple of weeks I've been working on my marketing and my branding and just like I want my voice, like the way I write and the copy on my website and everything to reflect what I'm saying right now to you. And it was really funny because I was talking to ChatGPT like I do and was like trying to work on some copy, and ChatGPT came up with a new phrase that I am like adopting and it just goes with all the work that I've been doing. But it was like you're not just a podcast coach, you're a voice keeper. And I was like, okay, chatgpt. Like, yes, a voice keeper.
Speaker 2:And I was like, okay, chat GPT, like, yes, voice keeper. I mean, that hit me so hard because I feel like I feel like that is my purpose is to amplify women's voices. And so I like I've changed on my website you can see it now. So, like, even before we started recording this, you were reading my bio and I was thinking in my brain I was like, oh, I need to give her the updated one where it has a voice keeper and stuff like that in it, because it's like something has just exploded out of me in the last couple of weeks and something has really shifted and how I show up in the world and yeah, and that voice keeper energy, that is what I'm leaning into, that gave me full body chills Like that's amazing.
Speaker 1:Me too, voice keeper. And then I love too that it's share, strategize and shine, because what you're doing is you're not just giving like dry business advice, like you're helping the person find like their inner light, right To share, cause that's what it is. It's like that's what blocks are. They block that light and block us from really expressing ourselves. So that's beautiful, that's really beautiful.
Speaker 2:There's something really amazing that I have discovered about, like, whether you're a business owner or not, just creating any kind of content and sharing it, it like really is difficult for a lot of us and it makes us feel vulnerable. And I think with Instagram and TikTok, you know, we feel like we need to show up in a certain way, like there's an aesthetic, there's, there's a way, when you I mean I have been I have been struggling with this for the last year I've been working on, like my Instagram strategy and trying to get in front of more people, so and it's just not coming from an authentic place. It's coming from a very like this is what I should do kind of place. And so when we rebranded not that long ago and I wanted to include like mountains light, I wanted those and my wonderful ops manager, who's also a designer, came up with that, and that really was.
Speaker 2:Often we are pushed to dim our light and like that is what I have felt my entire life. Like that my light has been dimmed. And you know, when I stepped into, when I started reading about witches and and the witch trials, that's what it, that's what it felt like to me was this huge dimming of lights and that it just bled into my business branding. Like I feel like all of this has happened at the same time. So, like you know, at the same moment that I started like I read that Mary Magdalene book we were rebranding. Um, I was changing the name of my podcast. Um, rebranding, I was changing the name of my podcast. I've changed how I work with people and it's really all connected to this journey that I've been on.
Speaker 1:Well, I love that too, because that's the story of Mary Magdalene. Her light was dimmed, like she was like she was like an apostle and they were like no, she's a prostitute.
Speaker 2:Sorry, like we just can't. I know One of my favorite stories of hers is in the book of Mary Magdalene. There's a story about her telling the other disciples about what Jesus told her. This is after Jesus has died and she's telling them stuff and I'm pretty sure Peter right, peter, the rock of the church was like um, you silly woman. No, why would he share that with you and not with us? And then one of the other disciples was like how dare you speak to her like that, like she was his favorite? And I just love that passage because I feel like it literally represents all women everywhere.
Speaker 2:So often we're in a room where we're being told no, that's not, that's not what it is. And you know, and that that's the thing that's so magical about podcasting too, is it is like it is not like social media where people are trolling you and leaving negative comments. It is literally like this thing that you own, that you get to put out into the world, like this thing that you own, that you get to put out into the world, and and it's there to create connection and engagement and and community in some ways. And that's why, like if and if somebody ever comes to me and they're like I'm thinking about starting a podcast. I'm like, do it, because it is such a great way to share and to get to know your voice and what you stand for.
Speaker 2:Like that stuff becomes so much clearer. There's nothing like sitting behind a microphone and talking about what you believe for 20 minutes to an hour. That makes it clearer for you. And so, yeah, I just always think about that story because I feel like sometimes this is my way of being like nope, I'm going to share anyways, and that's what she did. You know, the story is that she went to France and where she is greatly revered in the south of France, they still to this day like keep the cave that she lived in sacred and all of that kind of thing. And so you know, find, find your, don't let them dim your light, like find a place to share your light. I think that's so important.
Speaker 1:That's beautiful. Um, I asked you originally to share some kind of witchy tip, but I feel like that's it right there. Like you know what I mean, you this? It's interesting because this whole conversation has constantly gone back to Mary Magdalene in a good way and like it's this, it's her story, is our story, like that's what we're talking about, and I just think that's amazing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, so do you have so?
Speaker 1:much any other little last things you'd like to share before we say goodbye and let our listeners move on with their day before we say goodbye and let our listeners move on with their day.
Speaker 2:No, I do have a funny story now that I'm thinking about it. So my birthday was recent, recent. I had a recent birthday and I did a little birthday spell and I'm still listen, I'm still learning. You know candle magic and stuff like that and I left my candle going and I had a piece of rose quartz next to the candle and I left and I all mean and it's really funny, because there was a part of me that was like Caroline gosh, you should know better, you didn't set it up right, you didn't do it right Like I wanted to criticize myself.
Speaker 2:And then over the last so my birthday was March 27th. We're recording this on April 16th. So, like in this month, there has been so much transformation and realization and I honestly think that candle burning that ring into my altar and exploding that rose quartz was a sign that this is what was. This is going to be a year of major transformation. So you know, I think as beginner witches, we can be really hard on ourselves like that. We're not doing things right, and I know that for me, that's exactly what I was doing in that moment and now I look back on it and I'm like I am so glad that that happened, because it literally was like the start of something kind of amazing. So I don't know if that story is helpful to anybody, but I just thought that was funny.
Speaker 1:Also, be careful of your candles fool to anybody, but I just thought that was funny. Also, be careful of your candles, no, I think. Well, I also think about the symbolism of, like rose, quartz, right, it's so deeply tied with the heart chakra so it's like explosive change, heart led, which is exactly what you're doing in your work and doing in your homeschooling and doing your own life. It's all like heart led. So, no, I think that's, that's amazing and that is true. Like, yes, please always be careful with your candles, but I always read the candle.
Speaker 1:The candle goes out why you know if there's not like someone blowing on it, or let me look at how the glass burned, or you know it, definitely something explodes. That's something you should like find out why, and sometimes, like you said, you don't know really why. To like a while later. But always take note. Right, that's the lesson in that like, do it with intention, always take note and trust. Trust that it's how it should be. Right, right, absolutely. Yeah Well, thank you so much for chatting with me. I appreciate your time and energy. And yeah, please, we can find Caroline at wildhomepodcastingcom. Check her out. I'll put links here on the YouTube video and you can also go to the podcast website for her links as well. But I really enjoyed chatting with you and I thank you.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much. I really enjoyed sharing today. This meant a lot.
Speaker 1:I hope you enjoyed my chat with Caroline Hull today and you can find her at Wild Home Podcasting on Instagram or wildhomepodcastingcom to connect with her and learn a little bit more about her.
